Are you teaching to the squeaky wheels?

Are you teaching to the squeaky wheels?

Howdy Fit Folk!

John Macgowan has so graciously invited me to contribute to the vast wealth of knowledge that is the ICI/PRO community--  woohoo!!  Lucky me. 🙂 To those of you that I had the great pleasure of meeting at the 2011 ICI/PRO conference, hello again!  To those of you that I have yet to meet, I look forward to many opportunities to open a dialog, discuss new concepts and create amazing ideas.

Speaking of ideas, I love good ones!  I know it's been a good day if I've had at least --what I consider-- one good idea. Generally speaking, my best ideas come from thought-provoking conversations with others.  With all the wonderful discussions I'm reading on the posts and forums, I'm bound to have a lot of good days moving forward.

So pull up a chair (if you dare!) and enter the head-space of Cam...  I wish you the best of luck!

Happy reading,

Cameron Chinatti

Director of Education for Stages Indoor Cycling

Here's what I've been thinking about today...[wlm_private 'PRO-Platinum|PRO-Monthly|PRO-Gratis|PRO-Seasonal|Platinum-trial|Monthly-trial|PRO-Military|30-Days-of-PRO|90 Day PRO|Stages-Instructor|Schwinn-Instructor|Instructor-Bonus|28 Day Challenge']

Cameron Chinatti Director of Education Stagesâ„¢ Indoor Cycling

Do you ever find yourself spending a disproportionate amount of your mental and perhaps physical energy trying to please or quell the “squeaky wheels”? Typically the squeaky wheels are your most loyal attendees. They sit in the front row, they have "their" special bike, they enjoy filling out lengthy complaint cards, and they dislike any of your substitute instructors. These are the squeaky wheels, always generating a low-level disturbance. More on these folks in a moment!

Recently, a friend of mine shared a link to a blog post titled "Don't Tell Me I'm Wasting My Time!"

Intrigued, I decided to check it out. The author of the post, Marjorie Clayman, is an expert in the field of enhancing the use of Social Media as it applies to the marketing world. Her frustration, as she puts it, "...is the selfishness that exists in the online world when it comes to covering topics that relate to beginners." As you'll see in her article there is a perfect parallel to the challenges that we all face as teachers of indoor cycling.

Now, back to those squeaky wheels!

We tend to teach specifically to please these individuals because we become acutely aware of their verbal tendencies. This makes it very challenging to recognize the needs of the 29 other individuals in the room. More importantly, we fail to see the hundreds if not thousands of potential participants that have never set foot in our classes.

As Marjorie puts it, "If you approach content on occasion from the perspective of someone who is brand spanking new to this space, you will get to meet people and help people whom you may not have met in any other way. What can be more valuable than that?"

So, are your squeaky wheels unconsciously (hopefully not consciously!) creating a "secret society" that makes the newcomer feel uninvited? How do we please them both? In the words of the great Bob Marley, "You can't please all the people all the time." Quite the conundrum, I know.

When you feel the pressures of oiling the squeaky wheels or as my friend and Schwinn Master Trainer Shannon Fable calls it, "teaching to the front-row frowners," take a personal inventory moment. Are you trying to please them to keep an angry person off your back or are you considering the needs of all?

In my time as a Co-Director of a group exercise schedule consisting of 120 classes per week, I fielded many squeaky wheel complaints.

Here are my Top 5 takeaways from my time spent with the dreaded comment cards box:

1. Never throw your team under the bus! It may be tempting to tell the class to fill out a comment card and cast a vote for you to have more classes on the schedule, but a) that's a bit self-serving and b) there are so many reasons why the schedule is created the way it is. Cost per head per instructor, school schedules, child care schedules, maintenance, special programming, weekly class balance, etc. Likewise, if you have a personal gripe about something at your facility, telling your participants to fill out a comment card in order to achieve your goal accomplishes one thing: The squeaky wheels learn that if they are loud enough, they'll get their way, even if it is not in the best interest of the program. This leads to my 2nd mantra...

2. Think big picture. Contrary to popular belief, the individuals that attend your classes are not actually your members. They belong to the facility and you belong to the program or programs that the facility offers. You represent a piece of a puzzle. The more you think of yourself and your fellow instructors in this manner, the more the participants will view you all as a cohesive unit. Amazingly, participant complaints become positive shout-outs when the instructors have a sense of solidarity amongst the team.

3. Stick to your guns. You and your fellow instructors are the resident experts at your facility and you are there to guide your entire class in a safe and effective workout. The squeaky wheels may think that it's cool when Jane Doe instructor takes their saddles away, but you as the professional have to step up sometimes and say what needs to be said. Of course, you must keep in mind that your position is really that of a customer service specialist. So, how can you easily stick to your guns and provide a top-notch customer-first experience? Enter the Bad News Sandwich.

4. Bad News Sandwich. Here's an example of a bad news sandwich.

"Hey Sally, I totally understand where you're coming from and I hear you. You're right. Riding an entire class without the seat is very challenging and it does make you "feel the burn." However, there are actually more effective ways to achieve the same end result and in an environment that is safe for everyone. Can you imagine how terrible it would be if someone were to fall on the seat post during our class?! I'm sure I would lose my job and I would feel awful. After all, my job is to help people achieve optimal health, not promote injury. I know you understand the predicament I'm in; I have to look after everyone's well being -- including yours. Let's discuss a plan that will work around your fitness goals. I'm sure we can come up with something that will challenge you even more."

Okay, so that was a bit on the cheesy role-play side of things, but I'm sure you've had similar conversations before. Just remember: Bad News Sandwich = Recognition of issue or compliment (Good News) + Addressing the issue (Bad News) + Recognition of issue (Good News). You can't go wrong with the Bad News Sandwich. Or ending emails with a smiley. 🙂

5. Equal attention for all. Some people may disagree with me on this one, but no one at your facility should be valued higher than anyone else. This goes for members and instructors! Even if a member has been paying dues for 20 years, the new person that just joined or just attended class for the first time should get the same kind of attention and treatment. Likewise, an instructor that packs the room and has been teaching for years is as much a part of the team as the newer instructor that supports a different set of participants (and thus increasing the number of unique users). The minute a hierarchy starts to form, problems arise. Suffice it to say, everyone plays an equally important role in developing a top-notch indoor cycling program.

Think about your classes this week whether indoor cycling, group strength, step, etc. Ask yourself: Am I teaching to the person that looks miserable or am I teaching to everyone? Am I dividing my attention equally amongst my attendees?  Don't overdo it when it comes to greasing that squeaky wheel-- you never know when the chain might fall off.[/wlm_private]

Please share with the ICI/Pro community: How have you been addressing the "squeaky wheel" situations? Any good stories or ideas to share?

Originally posted 2011-11-10 13:22:22.

Do you deserve a raise?

Do you deserve a raise?

Indoor Cycling Instructors get a raise

What I've described as the “SoulCycle Effect” appears to have caused a nice jump in the starting rate for IC Instructors. At many new boutique studios, the $50 – $75 per class rate advertised is the starting base pay rate. Consistently fill the room and the added $'s per-head incentives you'll receive could push your pay to $125.00 or more per class. Teach just six classes a week and you'll be making $15,000 to $37,500 a year… for a part-time job.

I don't know about you, but that's real money to me!

Big Box Clubs are feeling the labor pinch

Large health clubs are sensing competitive pressure from small/boutique fitness studios and it scares them. Not only are they losing customers, they're also watching their best Instructors walk out the door to join a startup down the street.

How do I know this? Because it was a common theme voiced by multiple club owners and equipment distributors I spoke with last month at IHRSA.

Which is a 180° flip from six or so years ago. That's when the small/boutique studio boom was ramping up. Then a fitness entrepreneur's primary strategy was differenciation. What can I do to be different from the local Big Box? Now it's the owner's and managers of these same large fitness clubs asking the same thing – LOL!

If it's been awhile, you're probably due a raise 

If it's been a few years since your last review, now is probably as good a time as any to ask for an increase in your per-class rate.

Do a little research to learn what other studios near you are offering. It wouldn't hurt to graph out your class attendance and possibly list all of the times you agreed to sub other Instructors classes – so you can demonstrate your value to the business. Then be brave, schedule an appointment and politely ask for a raise. Unless you're a real flub, or there's no other option where you can teach, your current employer will want to retain your services = will want to keep you satisfied and offer you some additional $$$.

If that doesn't work – you can always check indoorcyclinginstructorjobs.com to find a studio who would love to have you on their team 🙂

Originally posted 2016-04-12 13:52:10.

Are you teaching to the squeaky wheels?

Use the “Mom Test” to help choose studio registration software & technology

Your Mom

Suggest finding someone who looks like this to help you evaluate your online registration system – or review the one you're using now.

Prospective Indoor Cycling Studio owners have hundreds of both challenging and easy decisions to make, long before they're ready to launch. Considering that your new studio will be a real business and the purpose of your business is to make money, the registration system you choose* to collect your money is pretty darn important… in fact it's crucial IMO. With multiple solution providers of online registration systems – how do you choose?)

I'd start by answering the: how easy/intuitive are the registration and collect the money process?

In the online world, marketers describe collecting the money as a conversion – I call it making a sale. Conversion percentages = what percentage of visitors who somehow end up on your registration page actually convert? Conversions don't always equate to sales. They can also be; create a user's profile, register for a class or even just join your email list.

Any difficulty the visitor experiences during the process can reduce the number of successful conversions (you don't get the money).

Now I don't need to tell you that different people, react to online “difficulties” or “frustrations” differently. You could throw any amount of digital confusion at either of my two girls and they'd still figure out how to register for your class. But there are potential customers who aren't comfortable with online anything.

Testing the registration and collect the money process

You're probably not the right person to test and compare online registration systems. The fact that you are here reading this tells me you are comfortable using a computer and are probably routinely using it to make purchases online.

I suggest finding someone in your life who's not all that comfortable with technology and ask them to help you evaluate the various systems. For some of you it could be your Mom (hence the Mom Test), a friend or family member that's similarly technophobic.

Here's how I would structure your “Mom Test”.[wlm_private ‘PRO-Platinum|PRO-Monthly|PRO-Gratis|PRO-Seasonal|Platinum-trial|Monthly-trial|PRO-Military|30-Days-of-PRO|90 Day PRO|Stages-Instructor|Schwinn-Instructor|Instructor-Bonus|28 Day Challenge']

 

  1. Contact each company's representative and ask for a link to the home page of an actual studio that uses their system/software.
  2. Collect each studio's link
  3. Sit down with your evaluator and have them go through a complete registration process: Create a user's profile and then register and pay for an actual class. Yes, this will cost you a few dollars > what you learn will be invaluable.
  4. But please don't waste their time and ask the studio owner to refund these small purchases.

While your evaluator is going through the registration process, You Need To Sit On Your Hands and offer no direction or assistance. Just watch exactly what happens and how she/he responds.

  • How quick was the process?
  • Was there any place where they got stuck
  • Did anything happen/change that caused them to question anything? Am I doing this right? Why was I taken here? etc…

With any luck you'll have a fun time doing this and learn a lot about what works and what doesn't, making your final choice easier. After all, you and your successful studio is going to be married to this software for years to come 🙂

 

[/wlm_private]*Of course this isn't the only reason you would decide on one registration vendor over another. If you have other questions you can ask me here.

 

 

 

 

Originally posted 2015-01-15 05:20:41.

ICI Podcast 0016 – 6 Signs of Studio Sabotage

ICI Podcast 0016 – 6 Signs of Studio Sabotage

Think about all of the planning you did before launching your new cycling studio? How much are you doing today to keep your studio in top form?

We talk with Barbara Chancey and John Bogosian talk about the six signs of fitness studio sabotage. This podcast is a must listen for both studio owners and instructors and will help you take your studio to the next level or keep it at the top.

If you own a studio, or are considering opening one, I suggest grabbing a pen and paper, find a quiet spot and listen to the podcast below in it's entirety.

 

 

You can reach Barbara Chancey at www.indoorcycledesign.com.

You can reach John Bogosian at Zingfit.com.

Originally posted 2018-10-10 19:39:34.

So You Think You Want a Fitness Studio?

So You Think You Want a Fitness Studio?

Rev studio instructors

Studio co-owner Kim Syma, on left, with Revolution Studio instructors & members.

Part 1: Why Leadership, Team-Building, & Creating a Company Culture Will Save Your Ass.

Since this is the first of several articles in this series, you and I will be spending some time together over the next few months uncovering what it takes to open, own, and operate a thriving and rewarding indoor cycling studio, so before we set out on this learning journey together I would like to take a second to give you a quick overview on how and why I arrived in this space in the first place!

As a prospective studio owner working on plans to open in the rather finicky and frugal market of Boise, Idaho — which I was brand new to moving from the booming and generous economy of Houston, Texas… yes, quite the culture shock — I set out on a mission to uncover as much about the niche-fitness studio industry as I could. I felt this would solidify a successful launch of what I considered to be the largest personal investment of time and resources I would make in my lifetime; so, I did not want to enter into it lightly. And, if life has taught me anything it is when intuition speaks you’ve got to listen to it, which my intuition was telling me to pump the breaks, go back, and lay some more groundwork.

False Assumption #1: No matter how passionate you are, no amount of passion is going to override ignorance. Bottom line: When you know the road ahead, you have the ultimate advantage. And when you don’t know the road ahead you are going to get lost, sidetracked, off-course, and eventually find yourself at a dead end.
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I called and interviewed almost two-dozen indoor cycling studios across the country representing various kids of markets, demographics, styles, and levels of success. What I found was fascinating and alarming. More than 75% of studios were just breaking even; 15% were in the red having to inject their own personal resources into the business just to keep it afloat, and only a mere 10% were actually thriving and profitable. I don’t know how that comes across to you, but to me it demonstrates that we are still a newborn industry, in the infancy stage, that has quite a bit to learning and developing to do before becoming a strong and resilient mainstay in American culture.

What we don’t want is to be a shooting star — we don’t want to come in hot, full of unbridled optimism and passion, and go out cold. What we do want is to be resilient, through recessions, and an industry constantly evolving, expanding, and growing by meeting the demands of its market, and in turn, continuously producing revenue! Once we get to that level collectively, we will have secured a place in every American home much in the same way big-box gyms like Gold’s, 24HourFitness, LA Fitness, Lifetime Fitness, and Equinox broke out onto the scene and gained mass popularization by the 1990s. That’s an industry not at risk of losing its ass anytime soon; and we, as niche-fitness studio owners, need to continue to stay hungry and get creative with ways to get our individual studios into that kind of an influential space. Currently, one has been occupying that space… Soul Cycle. But, I am here to say one cannot do it alone. There is room and a demand for more to share that space. And, if there’s room for it, my question to you is: Why not you? Why not your studio? … are you following me? If the confidence and groundwork is not there it’s not going to happen.

Action Item: Get confident, lay the appropriate groundwork, have a crystal clear vision for what space you see your studio occupying in your market, and strategically create a roadmap that will get you there, so you’re not taking detours, going off on side roads you don’t need to be on, and running head-on into dead ends.
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Lastly, after gathering all of this information, success and failure certainly left clues and presented strong commonalities that were glaringly obvious. The purpose of this article series is to share those commonalities with you, so that you’re better prepared to anticipate the road ahead; and, to provide you with practical solutions to major problems ultimately setting you up for your greatest success. The topics covered in these articles should empower you to design a crystal clear roadmap to the end goal – having a thriving and influential studio that will continue to bring you joy, inspiration, and financial freedom into your old age.

Simple Truth #1: Being a business owner should not mean that the business has to own you.
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Let us press onward to the first topic of this series:

Why building a company culture and establishing leadership, not management, in your studio is going to be your saving grace.

I knew I had to interview Kim Syma, co-owner with her husband, of Revolution Studio for this article, because I think they have hit the nail on the head when it comes to leadership versus management and really developing a strong group of team members they call “Warriors”. Not only that, but their studio is a proven-concept. They are now expanding their success into a third location in Houston, which will be bringing on another modality of fitness: Yoga! Their success trajectory is something most of us wish to mimic, so it would be prudent to learn from that.

Before leaving Houston, I had the immense pleasure of visiting Revolution Studio. I was immediately impressed with them for several reasons:

  1. The space was clean, aesthetically pleasing, and had a very uniform design
  2. The instructors & front desk staff were the same: aesthetically pleasing, fit, young, effervescent people in their Revolution apparel
  3. All of the classes were uniform and consistent in their flow, design, and delivery — allowing for the instructors’ individual personalities to shine through within the delivery that is unique to Revolution.

I believe those key qualities created an impression on me, as a customer, that this was a Brand and a Culture I was coming into. There was no dissonance or disjointed presentation — everything flowed and created a synergy. Now, before I get off on a tangent and talk about why all of those qualities are success-qualities, that is not the topic of this article; we will have to broach that conversation another time. For the purpose of this article, we’re going to talk about the how… how those qualities came to be that way — the behind the scene’s workings — under the pretense that they are, in fact, success-qualities.

Problem:
Via my conversations with various studios I quickly realized a common problem was a lack of unity amongst instructors and modalities of instruction being offered in the classes. Unfortunately, some owner’s justified the situation stating it was a good thing each of their instructors has their own style and does their own thing, because it offers the members a variety of styles to choose from. If they don’t like this instructor, they can go to another instructor’s class… if all the instructors and classes were the same people would get bored. Don’t, for a second, fall for that argument or think that concept is going to take you to the top and make you or your studio successful. I know where that argument emanates from — it emanates from a place of laziness and not wanting to spend more time rolling up the sleeves up and training people. Providing that kind of disjointed product to your customers makes you no different or better than the FREE cycling classes your customers can get at the local big-box gym for $19 a month! There, they can enjoy all the non-uniformity on the schedule until there heart’s content. I love all the different instruction styles and modes of teaching I experience at [insert gym chain here]… it is especially rewarding when all the instructors cue differently and coach differently and play all sorts of crazy kinds of music. All of that really helps me to connect to my workout on a whole new level’, said no one ever!

In reality, the #1 complaint of group fitness goers is that they can’t stand how there are some instructors they like and others they don’t, so they have to curtail their workout schedule around attending their favorite instructor’s classes and avoiding the instructor’s classes they don’t like. So, your philosophy should be to differentiate yourself as much as possible from the big-box gym experience and to solve as many of the hang-ups those gym members experience in order to pull their business away from them.

Needless to say the studios that maintained that notion were not the ones achieving great success, so I’m not going to elaborate any further, that is all the proof I need.

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Solution:
Revolution Studio doesn’t hire cycling instructors. They aren’t hiring for skill, they are hiring for intrinsic qualities. You can’t give someone innate qualities, but what you can do is give them the skills they need to perform the duties you need fulfilled. That’s how that works. The majority of studio owner’s are backwards in their approach — when they hire they ask for cycling instructors, so that is what they get. They may think they are hiring for personality or characteristics, but what they are actually doing is making those a secondary priority or an adjunct to the main criteria, which is that these people be cycling instructors. That’s a problem for a couple of reasons:

  1. A cycling instructor who has been teaching their own way for God knows how long, is going to be set in their ways. So, you’re shooting yourself in the foot by hiring people pre-programmed with software that’s not congruent with your studio’s concept. If your goal is to unify a team and create a company culture you are going to have to step outside your comfort zone and get creative. You do this with in-house training before even handing them a class. Now, if the idea of developing and implementing a rigorous in-house training is daunting to you and seems time-consuming my advice to you is: find the time. You make time for things that are a priority, and building your team, your company culture and brand has got to be your #1 priority, because that is what will take you from average numbers to off the chart numbers. I will tell you this much, there isn’t one thriving studio I came across that is not in some way shape or form doing their own in-house training program for their instructors.

So, as Kim states, “Hire people for qualities you cannot give to them.” Don’t hire people for their skills; skills can be quickly acquired through training and on the job experience. Qualities are what pack a room. A packed room equates to dollars and raving fan customers. Raving fan customers equates to an influential brand that continuously brings in revenue no matter the season or economic climate. The majority of the instructors at not only Soul Cycle, but also at Revolution Studio were not previously cycling instructors. They are now truly products of the studio and not the other way around.

Question: Do you want your instructors to be a product of your studio, or do you want your studio to be a product of your instructors? Who works for whom?

What are some of those qualities?

As Kim states….

  • Intangibles & having the X-Factor: charm, larger than life, engaging
  • Open to hearing feedback and constructive criticism – This loops back around to constantly refining your craft. In order to do that, you have to be able to watch your instructor present a class, give them constructive critique, and know they are going to receive that message well and implement those changes without taking it personally. They would only do that if they trust your vision as the brand ambassador and leader and have a desire to be a part of the vision you’ve already established for the studio and are willing to fulfill that vision, not their own.

If you’re uncomfortable right now with being totally and completely honest with any of your instructors, you are either 1) in too close of a relationship with them or 2) you are not in a leadership position with them… either way mitigate it. It will not serve you. 

  • Young, fit, and athletic – Let’s be honest here too… people are drawn to attractive people. This is why Soul Cycle scouts actors and actresses. They know what packs a room. You have to really sit down and have a heart to heart with yourself about what your brand is going to represent. The average Jo, or something more inspired. Your instructors are walking Billboards for your studio. I can’t tell you how many personal trainers I have seen working at big-box gyms that need to loose 30 pounds, get more sleep, eat healthier, and ironically exercise more. Now, no one should crucify them for that, but at the same time no one is going to rally behind it either, which means you are inadvertently decreasing your ability to get a raving fan customer base. We all agree social media is a great marketing tool… there is nothing more incentivizing for your customers to want to take pictures with your instructors and post them online than if the instructor is the vision of health and vitality. Don’t plug someone up there that isn’t going to attract the kind of attendance your business is yearning for. It’s your business! You need to be picky!

Kim definitely had sage advice throughout the interview, but more importantly she was relatable. She admitted in the beginning it was hard – when they just had their first stand-alone studio – it was a little more challenging to find quality instructors. However, as time went on and they found a few quality people, talent attracted more talent. Her advice was to find key people really invested in you and the studio and then turn around and invest in them enforcing and nurturing their position on your team.

She advised to “Hire slow, fire fast,” and “if they’re not a hell yeah [when you’re interviewing them] they’re a hell no.” The reason being it can be very easy to talk yourself into hiring someone that fits the requirements on paper, but you’re indifferent about. So, that is when you follow your gut, which is why Kim has learned:

If They’re Not a Hell Yeah! They’re a Hell No!

In order to maintain that sense of community and unity amongst her team she holds instructor meetings every six weeks to get everyone on the same page, entire team meetings quarterly, and an annual team-building party. As Kim says, …it is critical to establish a team that likes and supports each other, because your customers feel that kind of energy when they walk in the doors and want to be a part of that kind of camaraderie. Kim also makes it a point to do lunch/coffee dates with each of her instructors to build rapport and her husband, Mitch, does the same with the management positions. These habits certainly foster the sense of team we’re talking about here.

Ultimately, what you’re doing by being a leader and having a crystal-clear vision for your studio and then implementing that vision throughout every level of your operation is you are building a pipeline, so that you don’t have to be the one hauling buckets every day. You should be able to go on vacation for a month and know your entire team is willing and able to handle everything, because you have already laid the groundwork by establishing unity, clarity, and have imparted your crystal clear vision of each person’s specific role within the dynamics of the larger picture. Because, it is that “larger picture” (the culture) that your customers are going to identify with the most and that is when you build a cult following as Revolution has done in Houston with two thriving studios and a third one on the way!

Kim and Mitch like to also work passionately with their team on self-development and have recently gotten their team involved in a book club! Her staff approached her with the idea, and Kim willingly agreed to fund it knowing 1) the value of personal development on a personal level, but also 2) the powerful tool this idea would be in giving her team one more thing they can bond and center around — learning, developing, and growing together around! I personally thought it was a brilliant idea.

To conclude, the difference between a manager and a leader is slight but impactful: a manager plans, organizes, and coordinates, whereas a leader inspires and motivates. You have got wear both hats, but you have got to always be a leader in your studio in order to build the most solid and highly motivated team you can, because if you don’t you’re dead. A team will build a brand for you, without that team — good luck. Managing will only get you so far too, what will take you over the edge and beyond will be your leadership skills. I highly recommend the book The Leadership Playbook by Nathan Jamail if you are in need of a refresher on how to effectively implement and hone those skills, because they are skills that will serve you and pay dividends in your studio and in life.

A special thanks to Kim Syma for lending me her time and incredible counsel!

Presuming you'll want to print this, ICI/PRO members can download a PDF [wlm_private ‘PRO-Platinum|PRO-Monthly|PRO-Gratis|PRO-Seasonal|Platinum-trial|Monthly-trial|PRO-Military|30-Days-of-PRO|90 Day PRO|Stages-Instructor|Schwinn-Instructor|Instructor-Bonus|28 Day Challenge']here. [/wlm_private]Right Click > Save As.

Have additional questions about opening your own studio?

We're all ears > contact us and we'll do our best to help you get the information and direction you need to be successful.

Originally posted 2015-03-21 09:07:36.

ICI Podcast 0009 – Own Your Customers

ICI Podcast 0009 – Own Your Customers

 

ICI/PRO Podcast host Joey Stabile talks with Suhail Maqsood of the Wheel House in San Francisco and John Bogosian of Zingfit about the importance of keeping your customers.

This was a great conversation, and many of us overlook the most valuable asset that we have in our businesses, our customers. Suhail and I have a great talk about the importance of the customers and what we can do to increase their experience with our club and how we can safeguard their privacy while retaining our branding.

You can learn more about The Wheel House here at their website.

You can learn more about Zingfit here at their website.

Listen to our discussion below or

Thank you all,

Joey